Her mother was married to my uncle. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. And shes were so happy. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. Conflicting versions. Both were deceased. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Its barely visible in the picture. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Youll have to make do with what you see here. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. If the answer is no, enough said! (Ross Township Police Department). But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. Sorry not sorry. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. "The family has been very patient. . In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. I really never thought of it again.. This article is little more than fiction. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Whatever the truth is. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. And NOBODY saw her at all? She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. This is the most ridiculous take ever! It was total shock. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. And she will have to answer eventually. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. 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$kw. Its totally irrelevant. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Until next time, cheers. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. I noticed quite a few errors myself. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Although I would have liked it to be death! In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. Thanks for contacting us. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. None. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. That poor child and that poor woman. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Hair we go. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. You should be ashamed of yourself. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. You seem to have a fragile ego. Some people are just monsters. I very much doubt you are. We lived close to one another. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Omg so well put! They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). Justice is about uncovering the truth. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Search is on. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. Wow. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. I would have liked better her being put to death! Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. she didnt need to . This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Stop it.. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. You say by definition! I do. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. WoW! I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. Stable situation. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. Locked up. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. Oh my God. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? You murdered your girls," she said. Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? She definitely did it. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Not everything is a conspiracy. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? Look into it. She also will never get to see them get married. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Or did they? WebIn burst a group of men and women with their guns drawn. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Thats my life.. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Lie detectors are pseudo science. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. There are innocent people in prison. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. How so? Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together.