The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Its never spoken but up there to read. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. The two are completely unrelated. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical You are correct! Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. WebOur Mission. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. 39. All rights reserved. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. Im not responsible for how its perceived. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. It didnt raise red flags for me. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. This is because we live in this flesh. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. Christ suffered and I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. I did learn a lot. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. 30. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. 46. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. They bought your loyalty. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. 53. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. Wow. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Read Matthew 23 for more information. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. 3. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. N/A 7 You hypocrites! If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. Its method of operation is subversive. G.F.F. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. Neither should control the other. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. around the world wherever our Lord directs. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. He is the Head of the church. 55. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Everyone has health issues. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. We had no money. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. I dare say probably not. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. The church never knew our problems but god did. Plus they pray to the saints. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. Matthew 6:14-15 Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. Romans 5:8 An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. Independent Baptists (a.k.a. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. We reject all cooperation with this movement. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. 19. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among Simply not true. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. Stil fit. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. The two are completely unrelated. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. Is there any perfect , no. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. 14. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. We ARE the church my friend! I read Matthew 23 just before writing. God Bless. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u.